Jami at-Tirmidhi Hadith 17

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Jami at-Tirmidhi Hadith 17 is a narration recorded in this collection under Chapter 1: The Book on Purification. This page presents the source record and its available text, translations and grading label. Use the reference and chapter link below to read it in context; numbering and wording may differ between editions.

Collection
Jami at-Tirmidhi
Reference in Sirah
Hadith 17
Chapter
1: The Book on Purification
Narrator in the source
Abdullah رضی الله عنہ said
Compiler
Imam at-Tirmidhi
Displayed grading
Sahih
Hadith 17
Sahih

حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادٌ، وَقُتَيْبَةُ،‏‏‏‏ قَالَا:‏‏‏‏ حَدَّثَنَا وَكِيعٌ، عَنْ إِسْرَائِيلَ، عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاق، عَنْ أَبِي عُبَيْدَةَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ:‏‏‏‏ خَرَجَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لِحَاجَتِهِ فَقَالَ:‏‏‏‏ الْتَمِسْ لِي ثَلَاثَةَ أَحْجَارٍ ،‏‏‏‏ قَالَ:‏‏‏‏ فَأَتَيْتُهُ بِحَجَرَيْنِ وَرَوْثَةٍ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏فَأَخَذَ الْحَجَرَيْنِ وَأَلْقَى الرَّوْثَةَ،‏‏‏‏ وَقَالَ:‏‏‏‏ إِنَّهَا رِكْسٌ . قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى:‏‏‏‏ وَهَكَذَا رَوَى قَيْسُ بْنُ الرَّبِيعِ هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاق، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِي عُبَيْدَةَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏نَحْوَ حَدِيثِ إِسْرَائِيلَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَرَوَى مَعْمَرٌ،‏‏‏‏ وَعَمَّارُ بْنُ رُزَيْقٍ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاق، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَلْقَمَةَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَرَوَى زُهَيْرٌ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاق، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ الْأَسْوَدِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِيهِ الْأَسْوَدِ بْنِ يَزِيدَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَرَوَى زَكَرِيَّا بْنُ أَبِي زَائِدَةَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاق، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ يَزِيدَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ الْأَسْوَدِ بْنِ يَزِيدَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَهَذَا فِيهِ اضْطِرَابٌ. حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ الْعَبْدِيُّ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مُرَّةَ قَالَ:‏‏‏‏ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا عُبَيْدَةَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ:‏‏‏‏ هَلْ تَذْكُرُ مِنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا ؟ قَالَ:‏‏‏‏ لَا. قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى:‏‏‏‏ سَأَلْتُ عَبْدَ اللَّهِ بْنَ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ:‏‏‏‏ أَيُّ الرِّوَايَاتِ فِي هَذَا الْحَدِيثِ عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاق أَصَحُّ ؟ فَلَمْ يَقْضِ فِيهِ بِشَيْءٍ،‏‏‏‏ وَسَأَلْتُ مُحَمَّدًا عَنْ هَذَا ؟ فَلَمْ يَقْضِ فِيهِ بِشَيْءٍ وَكَأَنَّهُ رَأَى حَدِيثَ زُهَيْرٍ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاق، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ الْأَسْوَدِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِيهِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ أَشْبَهَ وَوَضَعَهُ فِي كِتَابِ الْجَامِعِ. قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى:‏‏‏‏ وَأَصَحُّ شَيْءٍ فِي هَذَا عِنْدِي حَدِيثُ إِسْرَائِيلَ،‏‏‏‏ وَقَيْسٍ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاق، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِي عُبَيْدَةَ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏لِأَنَّ إِسْرَائِيلَ أَثْبَتُ وَأَحْفَظُ لِحَدِيثِ أَبِي إِسْحَاق مِنْ هَؤُلَاءِ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وَتَابَعَهُ عَلَى ذَلِكَ قَيْسُ بْنُ الرَّبِيعِ. قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى:‏‏‏‏ سَمِعْت أَبَا مُوسَى مُحَمَّدَ بْنَ الْمُثَنَّى، ‏‏‏‏‏‏يَقُولُ:‏‏‏‏ سَمِعْتُ عَبْدَ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنَ مَهْدِيٍّ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏يَقُولُ:‏‏‏‏ مَا فَاتَنِي الَّذِي فَاتَنِي مِنْ حَدِيثِ سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِيِّ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاق إِلَّا لِمَا اتَّكَلْتُ بِهِ عَلَى إِسْرَائِيلَ. قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى:‏‏‏‏ وَزُهَيْرٌ فِي أَبِي إِسْحَاق لَيْسَ بِذَاكَ لِأَنَّ سَمَاعَهُ مِنْهُ بِآخِرَةٍ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏قَالَ:‏‏‏‏ وسَمِعْت أَحْمَدَ بْنَ الْحَسَنِ التِّرْمِذِيَّ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏يَقُولُ:‏‏‏‏ سَمِعْتُ أَحْمَدَ بْنَ حَنْبَلٍ، ‏‏‏‏‏‏يَقُولُ:‏‏‏‏ إِذَا سَمِعْتَ الْحَدِيثَ عَنْ زَائِدَةَ وَزُهَيْرٍ فلا تبالي أن لا تسمعه من غيرهما إلا حديث أبي إسحاق، ‏‏‏‏‏‏وأبو إسحاق اسمه:‏‏‏‏ عمرو بن عبد الله السبيعي الهمداني،‏‏‏‏ وأبو عبيدة بن عبد الله بن مسعود لم يسمع من أبيه ولا نعرف اسمه. حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ الْعَبْدِيُّ حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مُرَّةَ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا عُبَيْدَةَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ هَلْ تَذْكُرُ مِنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا قَالَ لاَ ‏.‏

Allah's Messenger went out to relieve himself. So he said: 'Bring me tree stones.' He said, So I came with two stones and a piece of dung. So he took the two stones, and left the dung. He said: 'It is Riks (a degenerative or filthy thing). [Abu Eisa said:] Similarly, Qais bin Ar-Rabi' reported this Hadith from Abu Ishaq, from Abu 'Ubaidah, from Abdullah, and it is similar to the narration of Isra'il. (no. 17) Ma'mar and Ma'mar and 'Ammar bin Ruzaiq reported it from Abu Ishaq, from 'Alqamah, from 'Abdullah. Zuhair reported it from Abu Ishaq, from 'Abdur Rahman bin Al-Aswad, from his father Al-Aswad bin Yazid, from 'Abdullah. Zikariyya bin Abi Za'idah reported it from Abu Ishaq, from 'Abdur-Rahman bin Yazid, from Al-Aswad bin Yazid, from 'Abdullah. So there is incoherence (Idtriab) in this Hadith. [Abu Eisa said:] I asked 'Abdullah bin 'Abdur Rahman which of the narrations of this [Hadith] from Abu Ishaq is the most correct, but he could not say anything decisive. So I asked Muhammad about it, and he could not say anything decisive. So I asked Muhammad about it, and he could not say anything decisive. It is as if he thought that the [Hadith] of Zuhair - from Abu Ishaq, from 'Abdur Rahman bin Al-Aswad, from his father from 'Abdullah - was the most likely since he put it in his book Al-Jami'. [Abu 'Eisa said:] To me, the most correct thing about this are the narrations of Isra'il and Qais; from Abu 'Ubaidah, from 'Abdullah. This is because Isra'il and Qais; 'Abdullah. This is because Isra'il is more dependable and better at preserving the narrations of Abu Ishaq than these people, and Qais's narration corroburated it. [Abu 'Eisa said:] I heard Abu Musa Muhammad bin Al-Muthanna saying: "I heard Abu Musa Muhammad bin Al-Muthanna saying: "I heard 'Abdur- Rahman bin Mahdi saying: "I only left the narrations of Sufyan Ath-Thawri from Abu Ishaq because I relied on Isra'il for it, since he narrated it in aa more complete fashion.'" Abu 'Eis said: In the case of Abu Ishaq, Zuhair is not lie that, because he heard from him at the end of his life. [He said: And] I heard Ahmad bin Al-Hasan [At-Tirmidhi] saying: "I heard Ahmad bin Hanbal saying: "I heard Ahmad bin Hanbal saying: 'When one hears a [hadith] from Za'idah and Zuhair, then there is no harm if he does not hear it from other, except in the case of Abu Ishaq.'" Abu Ishaq's name is 'Amr bin 'Abdullah As-Sabi'i Al-Hamdani. And Abu Ubaidah bin 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud did not hear from his father, and we do not know his name. Muhammad bin Bash-Shar [Al-'Abid] narrated to us, from Shu'bah, from 'Amr bin Murrah who said: "I asked Abu 'Ubaidah bin 'Abdullah: 'Did you remember anything from 'Abdullah?' He said, 'No.'"

— Abdullah رضی الله عنہ said

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Collection: Jami at-Tirmidhi. Compiler: Imam at-Tirmidhi. Reference in Sirah: Hadith 17.

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